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Title: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Alice on July 11, 2016, 04:01:15 PM
Dear friends!

We are glad to inform you that by popular demand RPG-club "Russia" announces a new server!

(http://upload.rpg-club.com/upload_image/victory_160711_10/small/1.jpg) (http://upload.rpg-club.com/upload_image/victory_160711_10/big/1.jpg)



Start is scheduled in the fall 2016 but already now you have the opportunity to choose what the new server will look like.
This preliminary vote is intended to determine what type of server is the most attractive for our future players.
Closer to the live start date the players will be asked to choose more detailed game world settings: rates, GMshop list and much more.

(http://www.rpg-club.com/upload/newsletter/button2.png) (http://www.rpg-club.com/newserver2016/)

Also you have a unique chance to reserve your character's nickname on the new server before the start!
You will find the necessary information and forms to fill on the vote page.

(http://www.rpg-club.com/newserver2016/button2_en.png) (http://www.rpg-club.com/newserver2016/#nickname)


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: SDB on July 11, 2016, 09:52:02 PM
Ok good another server.

But can you give us some information about the currents ones? 15x, 7x, 3x? Is there a merge in the future? What will happens with those servers?


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: TheProdigy on July 11, 2016, 11:28:03 PM
Good a new server!
What about NO 4th consecutive High Five for the sake of God?

Thanks.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: vSordi on July 12, 2016, 09:26:32 AM
Hi, I've started in Victory last week and I'm wondering if a merge with the new server is possible later, if it comes to be a H5 server, because I'm sure Victory is going to be empty when the new server arrives.

Thanks and sorry for the poor eng!


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: xuri on July 17, 2016, 10:09:30 PM
Most important and mandatory should be a new Bot Policy. On x7 server there are bots everywhere...you can start at catas, go to woa and check all areas like gc,loa,iop,den of evil etc...

If you report them your staff needs usually 1 day to answer...and then answer back "they are not online".... #facepalm

Maybe you go and check these areas & ppl by yourself cause at the moment you doing nothing but waiting for tickets.

If you handle these bots in another way maybe the market doesnt get flooded that fast with cheap items....and the server economy can last longer.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: vSordi on July 18, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Exactly!! I cant count how many times I pk bots in catas, there's too many and every time the chars stay in the place dead for many many time, which makes me think they're not afraid of being caughted...


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: ToTak on July 19, 2016, 04:28:39 PM
Bots/Adrenaline here we go again :)


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: CALENDIR on July 20, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Start it with interlude and then gf,h5,ertheia..


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Shaenya on July 20, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Is there any chance for you to open a GoD server ?
Seems people nowadays are stuck in the past, unable to move on. The only thing they like is that neverending and countless Hi5 servers, getting stacked in few months, then ask/leave for another Hi5. C'mon, this is like eating the same type of food every single day.
My opinion is that a 5-15x GoD server starting from Awakening then updating every 4-6 months to the next one sounds pretty good, with new challenges and more reasons for people not to leave server and keep improving themselves, instead of playing hi5 chronicle for 3-4 months then quit or ask for a new one.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm pretty sure many will disagree and talktrash to me, but i don't mind. That's one reason for which people play this game, FLAMING.
Good luck.

Edit: i forgot to mention that i'm always talking for different people that i used to play, and they are all looking for a decent GoD server, and can't find any. RPG is one of the fewest providers that can offer a decent L2 servers, and that's why i'm sure community will grow if you bring this to us.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: RasellE on July 20, 2016, 07:54:15 PM
whatever the result for the chronicle and the rates is ,  just try to open the server in early fall and not at the end of november like u did with the 2 previous servers


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: SDB on July 20, 2016, 10:02:37 PM
If im right there are some rumours that the server is going to be open the next year, not this. But don't trust me is something i just read on russ forums.

I do not care about the ideas of a new server, im more interested on what will happens with the current ones. Is there any merge beetwen 7x and 3x? or 15?


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: ApacheTomcat on July 20, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
If im right there are some rumours that the server is going to be open the next year, not this. But don't trust me is something i just read on russ forums.

I do not care about the ideas of a new server, im more interested on what will happens with the current ones. Is there any merge beetwen 7x and 3x? or 15?

yea it's good idea. make merge the old servers (7x + 3x +15x) and then make one new server GoD


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: golemkaaa on July 21, 2016, 12:25:04 AM
If im right there are some rumours that the server is going to be open the next year, not this. But don't trust me is something i just read on russ forums.

I do not care about the ideas of a new server, im more interested on what will happens with the current ones. Is there any merge beetwen 7x and 3x? or 15?

yea it's good idea. make merge the old servers (7x + 3x +15x) and then make one new server GoD


not. especially god.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: carvex21 on July 22, 2016, 02:41:15 AM
nobody can beat adrenaline, IT IS going to be fully functional on the servers, doesnt matter if its the cracked or the normal version. Staff has to ban the bots manually. I have faith on RPG staff. Another epic server coming up this fall, great! :D :D


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Ciuzas on July 24, 2016, 02:38:44 AM
It is time for x1 ^^


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Gurila on July 24, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
Onother epic fail  cause of  rpg bot servers it probably start over 10k  but the bot will win,it wont last more than 2 months.Cause of h5  its going faster and faster cause people learn  fast exp ,actually bot will win again ,the donations are failing probably they are helping the server stabability  but not much the players  and the idea of rpg(roll and play ) its just a joke ( bot always win the true players so no point )After so many years  i agree that the majority of players are experienced  so opening the same chronicle wont help the server last a lot .I dont know what to expect  from the  new server i agree of the stability  of the server and the high five retail it reliable ,but i never agree with  boting allowed system since the server is not blocking  them.Yes use PA if possible and block all kind of bot  .i simple dont want to mention how many times i found bots .and how many times  nothing happened in fact i got banned 2 times in 2 different servers for NOT using any kind of software illegal,that's hypocrisy .Anyway  its up to head admin to make a healty server  , its up to him to add some features as events prolly make a server alive cause usually rpg club is simple a dead farm server with 10k active bots (farming 14 days and w8 the 1 day  of sieges  to make a good pvp),missing the old  active players !!! Good luck  take care and  please  consider the facts of opening a new server  .


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: xuri on July 24, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kWDtYDX.jpg)


Onother epic fail  cause of  rpg bot servers it probably start over 10k  but the bot will win,it wont last more than 2 months.Cause of h5  its going faster and faster cause people learn  fast exp ,actually bot will win again ,the donations are failing probably they are helping the server stabability  but not much the players  and the idea of rpg(roll and play ) its just a joke ( bot always win the true players so no point )After so many years  i agree that the majority of players are experienced  so opening the same chronicle wont help the server last a lot .I dont know what to expect  from the  new server i agree of the stability  of the server and the high five retail it reliable ,but i never agree with  boting allowed system since the server is not blocking  them.Yes use PA if possible and block all kind of bot  .i simple dont want to mention how many times i found bots .and how many times  nothing happened in fact i got banned 2 times in 2 different servers for NOT using any kind of software illegal,that's hypocrisy .Anyway  its up to head admin to make a healty server  , its up to him to add some features as events prolly make a server alive cause usually rpg club is simple a dead farm server with 10k active bots (farming 14 days and w8 the 1 day  of sieges  to make a good pvp),missing the old  active players !!! Good luck  take care and  please  consider the facts of opening a new server  .


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Alexias on July 24, 2016, 07:45:39 PM
Good, one new good server!
But.. please! Don't make High Five again!
RPG did High Five 3-4 times in 2 years!
Make a new one! Bring newz... Thea will be good!


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Sk1llet on July 25, 2016, 12:57:02 AM
could you please consider trying something else, such as  >>>

start with an interlude, then after sometime basicaly few month dunno up to you, upgrade to the next version and so on until u reach the lastest one which should be god, and mby when that one comes viable for use why not add it and have fun:)
ofc rate and everything will be decided by vote so i think this idea might do well with some players and some not, its about how u want to spend ur time"and money" inside l2, not just hating bots when u see them passing u at mach 4 while u still walk at 1mph inside low lvl farm areas etcetc...:P


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Seeker on July 25, 2016, 09:12:07 AM
In thease days even ~15 year kids know how to use adrenaine, make easy profit, sell all and waiting next fcking rpg h5.. 4 or 5 starts and till now even TOWER working here :D its like ncwest , just dont need buy PA tu make a profit


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: kiba on July 25, 2016, 10:47:18 AM
Start with interlude - 2 months and then switch to other chronicles IL (3-5x) - GF - H5 and after 7-9 months switch and try that ethernia server

it could be a very good opportunity and something new from RPG  8)


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: grumba on July 25, 2016, 12:43:43 PM
ROFL H5 again and again and again for ever AND EVER! How about you do something new? WHY NOT A CLASSIC SERVER? Files too hard to get?  ::)


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: sPWNZ on July 25, 2016, 03:24:55 PM
russians wanna play h5, thats why h5 it is.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Alexias on July 26, 2016, 05:22:02 PM
RPG its not international comunity.
Its RU!
EU comunity want play something new, Follow the rules. - Poissie
Come! Use ur mind! If u make one more H5, u gonna lose more from RPG comunity!
Make smth new!


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: BaH on July 26, 2016, 07:10:28 PM
whatever the result for the chronicle and the rates is ,  just try to open the server in early fall and not at the end of november like u did with the 2 previous servers

Yep best comment +1 for september....


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: parazitc on July 26, 2016, 08:43:40 PM
I just wish for H5 x1 server with cakes or PA (x2) system. I am tired of H5 x5+ rate servers because woth all vitality nevit blessing stuff x5 server becomes x15.. Or GF server x3 with cakes. There is not a single GF server at the table...

RPG please for once to a really low rate server to extend playing time. This 1-2 month server is annoying...


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: SDB on July 26, 2016, 08:59:45 PM
RPG its not international comunity.
Its RU!
EU comunity want play something new, but bastards RU need BOT in H5 :)
Come! Use ur mind! If u make one more H5, u gonna lose more from RPG comunity!
Make smth new!

They are no going to loose nothing, RUS has a lot of people to mantain a sever without EU comunity :) trust me.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Ciuzas on July 27, 2016, 01:28:04 AM
Just go with x1 !


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Gurila on July 30, 2016, 09:33:53 PM
rpg-club is a money machine

and eu players playing big part in that "playing for fun not using programs but yet donating to catch up with russians" cosplay

so no russians wont be able to "maintain" a server without eu players since no1 will buy the sh1t they farmed using bots

aka russians wont be able to unban theyre bots resolving rpg club dont get $$$

but eu players will cry about rpg - yet will play it (yes they will play h5 again) lets be honest l2 is a dead game that will never get

any share of the esports scene most servers out there are p2w pvp servers that lives for 1 month and theyre only use is to suck bit more money of the eu players that wanna be a hero and rpg club is the only one left out there that can survive over 4 monthes duo to eu players try catch up vs russians (mostly using bots ) dont get it wrong rpg club has no problem to use working antibot system but that way they cant make as much money

all the above arent facts they are my personal opinion


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: rhcp on July 30, 2016, 11:12:00 PM
even with same items and without programs u lose 9v9 vs any mid/top russian pt.
 ;D


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: ToTak on July 31, 2016, 12:18:17 PM
rpg-club is a money machine

and eu players playing big part in that "playing for fun not using programs but yet donating to catch up with russians" cosplay

so no russians wont be able to "maintain" a server without eu players since no1 will buy the sh1t they farmed using bots

aka russians wont be able to unban theyre bots resolving rpg club dont get $$$

but eu players will cry about rpg - yet will play it (yes they will play h5 again) lets be honest l2 is a dead game that will never get

any share of the esports scene most servers out there are p2w pvp servers that lives for 1 month and theyre only use is to suck bit more money of the eu players that wanna be a hero and rpg club is the only one left out there that can survive over 4 monthes duo to eu players try catch up vs russians (mostly using bots ) dont get it wrong rpg club has no problem to use working antibot system but that way they cant make as much money

all the above arent facts they are my personal opinion

nop its not just your opinion its facts and its well-placed facts so new people who dont know nothing about server and his policy can decided either they wanna play here with fully working bots/adrenaline system or not :)



Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Gurila on July 31, 2016, 06:49:17 PM
even with same items and without programs u lose 9v9 vs any mid/top russian pt.
 ;D
 
wake up and land to planet earth ,dont be so sure about loosing to anyone unless you are noobish )))


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: BaH on July 31, 2016, 11:27:25 PM
even with same items and without programs u lose 9v9 vs any mid/top russian pt.
 ;D
 
wake up and land to planet earth ,dont be so sure about loosing to anyone unless you are noobish )))


Russian pt without programs for pvp =))) are you kidding me? Nice joke...


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: rhcp on August 02, 2016, 12:51:24 PM
"programs" "zranger" "adrenaline" is just excuse for eu trash.
Also, there is no top eu without program (if there is still any lets call it top eu party)

P.S. EU players are shit boys, pure shit.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: rhcp on August 02, 2016, 05:09:34 PM
"programs" "zranger" "adrenaline" is just excuse for eu trash.
Also, there is no top eu without program (if there is still any lets call it top eu party)

P.S. EU players are shit boys, pure shit.

Thats why Russia its part of EU.
So smart.
I tought Russia is part of CIS in gaming world.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: parazitc on August 02, 2016, 07:06:53 PM
"programs" "zranger" "adrenaline" is just excuse for eu trash.
Also, there is no top eu without program (if there is still any lets call it top eu party)

P.S. EU players are shit boys, pure shit.

I wouldn't say like that. Back in L2 golden years 2008-2012 EU actually were dominating. When top players left L2 for "real life" russians took their spots. Now EU/NA is not that dedicated anymore to grind that much compared to russians. All sides used all possible soft to gain an advantage. You can't blame them. Most EU players play L2 just to make some money.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: naparnikas on August 02, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
excuse me, when does voting second stage begins?  ???


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: grumba on August 03, 2016, 02:30:00 PM
even with same items and without programs u lose 9v9 vs any mid/top russian pt.
 ;D

I'm sure there are people here that remember this, there was a time (some years ago) when RPG actually upgraded their protection system and 3rd party soft didn't work for a few days. Do you know what happened during those few days? Even Splicho with TZ were RAPING top russian parties! Russians are so used to cheating that if you take the cheats away from them they turn into baboons.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Twilights on August 04, 2016, 05:55:08 PM
Any news regarding new server? When does voting second stage begins?  :-\


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: naparnikas on August 06, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
Any news regarding new server? When does voting second stage begins?  :-\
I guess soon, in a few days ^^


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: bindas112 on August 07, 2016, 02:21:44 AM
Is there any chance for you to open a GoD server ?
Seems people nowadays are stuck in the past, unable to move on. The only thing they like is that neverending and countless Hi5 servers, getting stacked in few months, then ask/leave for another Hi5. C'mon, this is like eating the same type of food every single day.
My opinion is that a 5-15x GoD server starting from Awakening then updating every 4-6 months to the next one sounds pretty good, with new challenges and more reasons for people not to leave server and keep improving themselves, instead of playing hi5 chronicle for 3-4 months then quit or ask for a new one.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm pretty sure many will disagree and talktrash to me, but i don't mind. That's one reason for which people play this game, FLAMING.
Good luck.

Edit: i forgot to mention that i'm always talking for different people that i used to play, and they are all looking for a decent GoD server, and can't find any. RPG is one of the fewest providers that can offer a decent L2 servers, and that's why i'm sure community will grow if you bring this to us.

GoD would be awesome idea!


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Twilights on August 08, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
Nice answer from you guys. I'm impressed with all the information you bring to us.

Having three servers working and you are going to make a fourth just because you are running out of money? It's ok we understand it... but at least give us some info about what are you going to do..

It's almost a month since you started the first vote stage, and all we know following the vote pool it's that the new server is going to be another piece of shit h5.

Alice if you read this please give us some answers please. :-\


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Gurila on August 09, 2016, 02:41:06 AM
well they do work for money as rest of us :P

usualy servers start in november

bet u can find info in russian forums


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Skacowany on August 09, 2016, 07:53:01 PM
Approx time of opening the new server ?


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Gaahl on August 10, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
Well,I'm really glad for new awesome server opening :D but I agree with people who suggest to make it in "stages" like: open interlude/hb ---> update to gracia ---> update to h5 ----> update to god!
It would be the first L2off like this and would bring something really original in the monotonous l2 servers field :)
Also I agree to open it in september/october max and not november :)


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: smn on August 16, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
http://forumen.rpg-club.com/index.php/topic,176074.0.html


  • First server as a part of Party will be launched in October 2016 on Graсia Final platform.
  • Second server will be launched in November 2016 on High Five chronicles.
  • Within a few months they will be merged into one on High Five platform.



Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Mouarf on August 16, 2016, 03:30:48 PM
Gracia Final [x5]; High Five [x10]

Shoulnd be GF x10 and H5 x5 ??? ( and some for other rates ).


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: parazitc on August 16, 2016, 08:46:11 PM
Gracia Final [x5]; High Five [x10]

Shoulnd be GF x10 and H5 x5 ??? ( and some for other rates ).


my thoughts are exactly the same. H5 already 2 times easier chronicle if we compare them with same rates. Now with H5 having higher rates will make merge in favor of H5 by big margin. When in GF people will be gearing up for dynasty, people in H5 will already have S grade+.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Infraction on August 26, 2016, 10:40:37 AM
Why not upgrade the GF into H5 the same day the Hi5 opens? and merge them after 1-2 months? While keeping the Gf/Hi5 x1-3 and the Hi5 at x5-7 they would both reach the same lvl in 1-2 months and you could merge them after so you could have a more competitive server.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: smn on August 27, 2016, 11:07:38 AM
Why not upgrade the GF into H5 the same day the Hi5 opens? and merge them after 1-2 months?

They are currently discussing that on the Russian forum, but if they decide to do it, it would be more than 1-2 months.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: Infraction on August 27, 2016, 11:52:15 AM
They are currently discussing that on the Russian forum, but if they decide to do it, it would be more than 1-2 months.
Cool at least Its better than do what they had in mind up till now   :P


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: parazitc on August 27, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
it still doesn't help as much as we wont. 2 servers means that population will be divided and GF server will be so behind in terms of gear unless it has 2 times higher rates. x6 GF x3 HF  would be perfect, but there is another thing. Vote for PA xp/sp rate boost makes things even worse. x5 HF without any PA is already mid rate server because of vitality/nevit blessing.
 
Community never voted for 2 servers, GF vote never had even 40% of total votes count so why even opening 2 servers. Just to troll our community or you really that greedy for money?

If you damn just wanted money, make only H5 server with x2 rates and PA users has x3 rates (exp/sp/adena only) and that is it. You already have stuff like greenery cloak/shots/buff pots to sustain donation. Together with PA it should be more than enough to sustain + gain big profit.

Please don't screw us up! Make only 1 server either ir GF with h5 upgrade or simply H5 server.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: rhcp on August 27, 2016, 05:49:21 PM
lf party xd


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: smn on August 27, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
2 servers means that population will be divided

A lot of players are divided between the two most popular chronicles, we can't please everyone, so we give people what they want or might want.

and GF server will be so behind in terms of gear unless it has 2 times higher rates. x6 GF x3 HF

The rates in the vote were changed already, basically Gracia Final will have higher or equal rates to High Five chronicle.

Vote for PA xp/sp rate boost makes things even worse. x5 HF without any PA is already mid rate server because of vitality/nevit blessing.

Having Premium Account has not been decided yet and it will be decided by the outcome of the vote.

Community never voted for 2 servers, GF vote never had even 40% of total votes count so why even opening 2 servers. Just to troll our community or you really that greedy for money?

The decision to open two servers is way more complicated than an average player might think.

Please don't screw us up! Make only 1 server either ir GF with h5 upgrade or simply H5 server.

At this point it's pretty much set that there's going to be 2 servers, I don't believe anything you say will change that fact. Some players will like the idea, others won't. It's the usual thing, we can't satisfy everyone.

lf party xd

I hear SoulKey is recruiting.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: parazitc on August 27, 2016, 10:07:57 PM

At this point it's pretty much set that there's going to be 2 servers, I don't believe anything you say will change that fact. Some players will like the idea, others won't. It's the usual thing, we can't satisfy everyone.


Then I hope you open both servers at same time. That would be best option.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: smn on August 27, 2016, 11:19:38 PM
Then I hope you open both servers at same time. That would be best option.

They will be a month apart. Gracia Final will launch first, High Five will follow.


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: layzie on August 28, 2016, 12:02:49 AM
gf will fail cause another big server will launch gf retail like server in september and most ppl from x7 will go there cause no competition here atm. they failed merge...


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: rhcp on August 29, 2016, 10:07:14 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHHA u made my day!!
Well played smn, well played  ;D


Title: Re: NEW SERVER 2016 - voting!
Post by: OocaverexoO on September 20, 2016, 09:50:04 PM
Too bored to play another HF / GF Chronicle again, most of the old players got back on Classic Eur / Rur, i still waiting for a RPG-CLUB move on to the Classic 2.0 chronicle someday