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« on: October 28, 2011, 02:04:06 AM » |
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Hi
I've got a question about subclass certification skills for Sagittarius.
I've chosen celestial shield, passive focus and long shot.
From 60-65 lvl ofc 6x mdef.
My question is - is there any better option? and why?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 03:05:12 AM » |
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haste ftw
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 10:07:21 AM » |
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I usually go for long shot for sure, then im trying UD, Cele, boost CP or haste combinations. Why boost CP? well, I would go for 2 trigger but then I got overbuffed sometimes. Maybe in H5... (Anyway I rather have Cele/UD by now).
But pasive focus... no. With buff and S80+ bow u already get 500 critical rate. And Im counting that if ure an archer then u are always topbuffed.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 01:00:00 PM » |
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Ok, i can go for boost cp or chance haste without cancelling subclass due to choosing Tyrant. But i was thinking about UD too (chance haste is good, but really - for archer? He does not shot so fast to use it effectively imo, but i am not experienced with that so dunno). You say sometimes may get overbuffed, well it can be true and cp is the key here. Many ppl told me that long shot is useless shit, but how is working archer with max range?
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 02:42:18 PM » |
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UD (celestial Shield), triggers when you're being attacked, not when you attack (that's what i understood from your post, correct me if I'm wrong). Although it's change, it can save your butt sometimes, either in pvp or pve.
In your case, even though you attack from far, with long shot + snipe (when useful), you get out of the range of most mages since, as far as I know, their range only goes to 900 or so, and with UD, even if you get in range of a mage, or are being attacked by another archer, it can save you.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2011, 06:48:42 PM » |
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Well its obvious that celestial shield triggers when i am attacked. But there is also counter defense from Knight Class, i dunno why ppl call it ud (yes, I noticed it many times). What about cele, counter defence and long shot? Celestial shield is core for sure. I think rest is something from long shot - counter defence - CP - evasion(?)
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 10:49:25 PM » |
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That defense from tank, I believe it only boosts your pdef by 200 or so for 15 seconds (more than celestial which lasts 3-7seconds). Now I don't know how it would be in practice, but you can go on obt and test that freely  You being an archer, I'd go either: Celestial, Haste trigger (firing that amount of damage from a bow quickly seems like a plus), and Long Shot, or Celestial, Long Shot, and probally mana steal (or whatever its called) because as an archer you waste mana just by firing. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 01:07:46 AM » |
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Ok, but there is a bit of misunderstanding. Silent Mind Lv.1 - Passive Skill Allows use of a bow without consuming MP. (im lvl 79 so havent reached this lvl yet) Chance haste - it has 1(?)% of probability, so with archer who shoots not really fast, it may trigger uneffectively. Thus i would like to know if it works from someone who used it. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 05:47:54 PM » |
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mana steal? omg xD useless.
u can also manage another options not only passives, like having healer subclase for the divine healer transform lvl 80, which gives u sacrifice, a skill that allows you to restore HP/MP of your entire party but you (u dont need mp anyway since silent mind exists). But never tried this, Ive just saw it on some vids. Problem is that healer pasives are useless (there having focus mastery has a point).
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 05:58:34 PM » |
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id go for haste/cele/ud since at h5 trigers get their own slots and they wont overbuff you
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 06:38:08 PM » |
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id go for haste/cele/ud since at h5 trigers get their own slots and they wont overbuff you
this i didnt know that in h5 it will work better. But now its the problem - should I sacrifice long shot : D. Cele is for sure, no doubt. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 06:46:49 PM » |
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my personal skills on saggi from sub are
enchanter barrier , knight defence , rogue long shot and emnergent attack lvl 6
if you have any doubs about my picks just ask why
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 04:13:53 AM » |
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mana Steal was a remote thought that went through my mind xD Silent Mind is h5 only skill afaik (i might be wrong - corrections welcome)  Why p.atk lvl 6? If I recall correctly, archer skills are not p.atk dependent like doombringer/glad/tyrant and others, so it would only affect his normal shots. I'm way too sleepy atm, so not my answers might not be accurate lol |
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 12:31:23 PM » |
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id go for haste/cele/ud since at h5 trigers get their own slots and they wont overbuff you
this i didnt know that in h5 it will work better. But now its the problem - should I sacrifice long shot : D. Cele is for sure, no doubt. who cares about long shot, you can enchant snipe on "decrease penalty" and go nuts with it |
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 12:53:12 PM » |
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id go for haste/cele/ud since at h5 trigers get their own slots and they wont overbuff you
this i didnt know that in h5 it will work better. But now its the problem - should I sacrifice long shot : D. Cele is for sure, no doubt. who cares about long shot, you can enchant snipe on "decrease penalty" and go nuts with it why not do bowth long shot and snipe ? |
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 12:55:54 PM » |
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I'd go cele (which is kinda obvious for pretty every class in L2), long shot and prolly master focus. I had trigger haste on SR and I was pretty dissapointed. Activates really rarely - like once or twice during laba and as you know you it takes some shots to take down laba.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 12:58:56 PM » |
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Master focus would be pretty useless, you should get max crit with full buffs and s82+ bow + focus. I'd either go for Cele/UD/long shot or Cele/haste/long shot. or you can just go haste/ud/long shot but celestial is quite essential sometimes, it can save your life. Just chose one of those 3, or look at your needs, if you think you would use more range, go for long shot, if you need more crit rate, go master focus, wtf is so hard?
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 06:30:37 PM » |
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Long Shot is a must. No discussion allowed. mana Steal was a remote thought that went through my mind xD Silent Mind is h5 only skill afaik (i might be wrong - corrections welcome) Why p.atk lvl 6? If I recall correctly, archer skills are not p.atk dependent like doombringer/glad/tyrant and others, so it would only affect his normal shots. I'm way too sleepy atm, so not my answers might not be accurate lol - Silent Mind is a lvl 81 skill and exists since HB. - Skills may not be p.atk dependent but archers use normal shots most of the time even in pvp. But yea, p.atk lvl 6 are pretty much useless since it adds shitty p.atk. I would go for m.def lvl 6, no doubt. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 06:48:52 PM » |
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Now i have difficulties with emergent skills ^_^.
Ok p attack lvl6 gives shit - i hope its true. I hope i will not feel lack of dmg eng game, but its far away from now ^_^.
For other things.
Long shot, celestial and ud. Too bad many ppl say haste triggers so rarely, cause it would give nice kick for archer.
Thx all for help. If anyone has other opinion, its welcome to hear.
Btw - why dyna for bow is sooo shitty. Only masterwork sets can be good, but regular are imo tardy for archers.
And is it ok to start with baium + AQ epics?
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2011, 12:06:47 AM » |
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id go for haste/cele/ud since at h5 trigers get their own slots and they wont overbuff you
this i didnt know that in h5 it will work better. But now its the problem - should I sacrifice long shot : D. Cele is for sure, no doubt. who cares about long shot, you can enchant snipe on "decrease penalty" and go nuts with it why not do bowth long shot and snipe ? because long shot is what +100 range ? not worth it imo |
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2011, 12:11:51 AM » |
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lol r u fuking kidding me? long shot is the best cert for archers since ever.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 04:39:29 AM » |
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lol r u fuking kidding me? long shot is the best cert for archers since ever.
with snipe enchantable for decrease penalty, +100 range is insignificant, better choose smth else imo |
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2011, 06:15:00 AM » |
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lol r u fuking kidding me? long shot is the best cert for archers since ever.
with snipe enchantable for decrease penalty, +100 range is insignificant, better choose smth else imo you do know they are stackable right? snipe = +/- 200 range and longshot modifies base range, soo, in total it is about 1200 or so of range the archer has, and that is still a few steps for any mage (which, to my knowlage its max range is 900) and if he keeps his distance, he can hit without being hit  Well, give the combos said here a go, it will only cost you 10kk and +/- 5 minutes to reset them all and redo it again so meh, go wild aw and btw, any dd should always go mdef++ |
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2011, 03:36:14 PM » |
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lol r u fuking kidding me? long shot is the best cert for archers since ever.
with snipe enchantable for decrease penalty, +100 range is insignificant, better choose smth else imo point is to have max range as posible. Also, even with snipe +30 ur speed sux so having 1100 range (+50 for lvl 78 pasive, +50 for lvl 81 pasive +100 for long shot) allows you to run - hit - run from a mage or almost every non-archer range attacks. Since the archers crt.dmg from C5 is missing, the only thing left that makes archers still annoying is range. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2011, 11:13:57 PM » |
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seems i have to agree  |
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